mamamoo problematic thread

", Where did you get ur African auntie outfit from?? Having said that it was still wrong but I don't acquite it to a minstrel show or it have been in a mock manner and I am glad that they apologised and have learnt from that. In this video, they wore blackface. This, combined with their Immortal Song wins, truly demonstrates just how much of an impact Mamamoo has, as their reach goes far beyond just kpop. Dark smudges of makeup were put on her face to represent dirt that the beggar character had on him, and people accused her of doing blackface for it, even though she was portraying a Korean character, and not someone of African descent. When you choose to spend that privilege constantly mocking and harassing people online, well, karma's going to come back to you, in some form or another. If you haven't, let me enlighten you. Mamamoo Has Been Receiving Hate Storms- And It's Only Getting Worse. Yes I should have included more context. Solar Moonbyul Wheein Hwasa Results are only viewable after voting. With the Henry thing, I also understand where youre coming from. If you have anything else you wanna add/say, my ask box is open, but I probably wont reply until tomorrow because I really need to go to bed. now onto the list: *Anything with an asterisk besides it is a fan account and so may not be entirely reliable, though are usually fairly trustworthy. That obviously didnt work too well. },false) It's really difficult to see the hate towards these girls when I see how hard they had to struggle to climb up the ladder when they came from such a small company but I do believe they'll prevail and work hard to improve themselves as they've always been doing since 2014 . Others were soon reminding Hwasa once again of her past mistakes, including wearing blackface along with the rest of Mamamoo in a performance where they were parodying Bruno Mars. Yes theres a chance it was scripted (something I didnt include originally but will add) but since we arent sure, I included it anyway. i seriously didnt mean to sound defensive?? From their raunchy and raw fashion choices to wearing blackface to sing Bruno Mars - let's look back at the highs and the lows as the outspoken quartet celebrate their 6th anniversary as a band The thing that happened next is the thing often referenced the most when discussing Mamamoos past, Hwasa singing the n-word. In terms of overlooking, I'm not sure what is expected since they've apologized for their actions and speech and the apologies have been pretty prompt. It would be easy to point to other fandoms and how they have been problematic at times but that's not helpful and just continues a cycle of hate. It also means I respond to criticism poorly. There are multiple reasons but a large one being Im just not educated enough. okay so before i start this list, i just wanna clarify: i am an exo stan. if he just said that he wasshocked because he thought they were gay/trans, then its iffy. Some things aren't even their fault, but ofc they're going to frame it that way (like Wheein saying that she feels like a normal person for making silly faces and people bashing her saying that she's thinking too highly of herself as a celebrity? Im ironically bad at dealing with conflict, which might make some people question why I started this blog (it was actually an accident, long story), but Ive tried not to let it affect my running of this blog. To discuss the bullying and harassment Mamamoo now receives daily, we must first lay out what originally brought out all the hate. For hours the terms hwasa n-word, hwasa racist, hwasa ugly, hwasa dead, were the most common twitter terms in Hwasas searches, while Moos rushed around trying to tweet positive things and trend protective hashtags in response. Of course I was disappointed in some of the things they've done and said, but we all make mistakes and they've acknowledged them and apologized. kpop problematic carrd! Another thing is my mental health. You need to Register or Login to view the content. The last thing repeatedly referenced against Hwasa is the fact that she wore a durag on Queendom during Mamamoos Good Luck performance. Im not sure anyone will read this post, Im not sure if any of the people upset by my actions will read it (because I doubt they are following this blog) but I felt like I owed everybody an apology. One fan shared a detailed card about it along with the message, "And if anybody wants to get brave about their past mistakes, heres a link with receipts and explanations. Im also scared of spreading misinformation and making mistakes (both of which are things I have done), and I dont like the idea of people feeling too intimidated to call me out when I mess up. Most of the controveries are from a while back (solar imitating her senior, the strawberry jam song). Good night @noobmaster89 and solar cult. I'm a fairly new Mamamoo fan and I was hearing a lot about them being super problematic towards black people(so being black) I decided to some research to find out. This has been a hard decision to make, one Ive been debating with for a good while now, but Ive decided I think its best for me to take a break from this blog. Press J to jump to the feed. "Hey remember dressing up in blackface with the rest of Mamamoo," read one tweet. I'm pretty sure that a lot of people have heard of the blackface scandal. The thing to note here is that Hwasa is not fluent in English. if henry said that the idea of his band mates being gay/transworried him, thats homophobic and transphobic. Korean girl group Mamamoo apologized Saturday after a video clip aired at their concert that featured the quartet in blackface. A large section of the hate she receives is linked to the idol rarely conforming to what is typically expected of women in K-pop, particularly ones in girl groups. But this often means the backlash is swift and severe anytime she puts out new content. window.googletag.pubads().addEventListener('slotOnload', function(event) { I dont think people should defend what others do/say, regardless of how long ago it was, but I do think people should look at stuff in context and use a degree of common sense. 2. I messed up, a lot, and I honestly do regret making the post. Siwon isnt the only member this has happened to, and I also understand that a lot of the time people take things out of context in order to justify hating on a specific member and its really frustrating. While Mamamoo being popular with the public is widely known, many are unaware of just how many actors, idols, and senior producers they have won over with their authentic shows and cheery personalities. Read more about it here. ", HELP THE QUESTIONS FOR #AskHwasa I CANT pic.twitter.com/hfqIr5fn9w, THE TWEETS UNDER THIS HASHTAG ARE RUTHLESS AHAJAKXH #AskHwasa pic.twitter.com/gEpnibGF9J, the gates of heaven are not opening for ANY of yall #AskHwasa, Baby Mia Jade Riley: Parents Lani and Tom Riley speak out after dog attack killed their 5-week-old infant, 'We have lots to reveal': Madeleine McCann lookalike Julia Wandelt posts footage of meeting with PI probing claims, Kyle Sambrook: Hiker falls 100ft to death while carrying his dog in one hand through 'appalling' weather, Killer mom Lindsay Clancy was suffering from drug withdrawal and had 'worst side effects,' says friend, Bruce Willis's mom Marlene 'not sure if her son still recognizes her' as 'aggressiveness' creeps in. Firstly, Im fairly sure I missed stuff, but also, a lot of it is somewhat interpretational. The sun will always shine for us. What are your thoughts? She embraces her skin and body, even though it doesn't fit neatly within traditional notions of what is considered 'ladylike' or 'beautiful' according to South Korean standards and prefers to pen songs about empowerment. Its much appreciated :-), Im KOREAN TOO, and shes lying, i will post a video with the REAL ONE and gonna call you out too.-. I dont make these lists with the intent of ruining the idols image or spreading misinformation (which by the way, if I do again, please call me out on it because otherwise I have no other way of knowing). ga('ads.send', { As for the criticism of my post in your tags, I still feel like it was appropriate to include the Kris thing, though I understand why some people dont think its offensive/problematic. It hurts my heart to see people bash them like that, it really does. Ive said it before and Ill say it again, that post wasnt made with the intent of hurting Super Junior or their fans, nor was it made for the purpose of bashing Super Junior. eventAction: 'view' The point is to provide information about things which could be perceived as offensive so that fans can decide for themselves whether or not they feel comfortable continuing to support the idols. That doesnt make it okay and it doesnt mean it cant be just as harmful, but considering they are nearly always the victims of such colorist comments, it is somewhat different to when they come from somebody else who is unaffected by them. That crosses every sort of line. where henry addressed the gay thing (the trans thing wasnt included) and he doesnt seem to have said anything about it worrying him! Refresh the page,. yeah, suju has done problematic stuff and i agree, we shouldnt defend it or excuse it, its good to have that kind of discussion. }); Mamamoo's Hwasa has come under fire more than once after accusations of racism and cultural appropriation. We have, arguably, a smaller fan base in a way - at least internationally - so its a little easier to see those hate thorns in-between the roses. omg lol at everything written under heechul. Mamamoo are good, genuine people. i am so so tired. As the n-word is decidedly not of Asian-country origins it would make sense that she would not know the meaning of a English word that she is quickly seeing and then singing in a song, as it is a word which takes most, if not all, of its derogatory meaning from American context. 21 Jan 2023, 03:11 AM . Compare this to some other idol groups with rabid fanbases, any controversy and they're ready to defend their idols to the point of issuing death threats to the critiques. Their interactions with their fans and staff members are so sweet and genuine, and they do their best to be inclusive of everyone (like Wheein taking her time to speak to a deaf fan and doing some sign language, Hwasa going on the floor to sign a fan's cast---the list goes on). Thats not true. They could learn about Korean values and customs online, but they'll never truly understand the severity of it because they're not from that culture where it's significant. }); I promise you it wasnt a group thing. So trend they did. They apologized. Goodnight. Only four hours after the incident occurred, both Mamamoo and their company RBW wrote out an apology in both Korean and English and posted it online. One tweet asked, "What we feeling today -er or -a? I actually really appreciate people messaging me about stuff and talking it through with me, especially because I actually really dislike conflict (makes me wonder why I started this blog really haha). When asked about it, she replied that it was an homage to Rihanna, who wore something similar in a performance, as RIhanna is one of the people she looks up to the most. You dont owe them anything in the lines of forgiveness, especially if you were one of the people they personally hurt with their past actions. True, the haters just don't know them so they judge easily. ", Hey remember dressing up in blackface with the rest of Mamamoo #AskHwasa pic.twitter.com/3AqtVlig1n, what we feeling today -er or -a? I also included a link to it at the top of the super junior post. Feels bad yo. Their members consist of Solar, Moonbyul, Wheein, and Hwasa, with Solar being the oldest and leader of the group. I didnt mean for this to spiral into an argument at all and I didnt post the post with malicious intent, though I know the intent doesnt matter all that much and that I did make mistakes. A lot of it is about perspective, and privilege, but also some people have lower tolerance levels than other people. I can definitely understand where youre coming from and why you sounded defensive. As Ive said before, Im not a muslim, and I was just going off of what Id seen other muslim bloggers say. And then later on she includes a list of problematic things that her favourite (boy) group has done and it's literally 3x as long. 18 Jan 2023, 08:31 PM . In the way that we see them care for each other and their fans concerns, I really dont see how they could MEAN to hurt anyones feelings with how they might act at times. Siwon seems like a genuinely nice guy, and its really unfortunate that people keep spreading the rumour that hes homophobic, and Im ashamed to be one of the people who contributed to this. A quick list (that is nowhere near all) of the vocal famous Mamamoo fans include: JYP (founder of JYPE), Yoo Hee Yeol (Host of Sketchbook), Im Chang Jung (senior ballad singer), Lee Hyori (senior solo artist), Hyuna (solo artist), Seulgi (of Red Velvet), Lee Dahee (actress), Wang Bitna (actress), and Kim Hyesoo (actress). For the segment, the three followed outfits . but its hard not to be. To be honest, I wish Id made the suju post more like the exo one, because the exo one included a lot of the stuff people are criticising me for leaving out of this one. People @Pr0blematicIdol follows or mentioned can reply Problematic Idols @Pr0blematicIdol Jan 3, 2021 Replying to @Pr0blematicIdol #askhwasa pic.twitter.com/rqPYTIMaEL, And from there, the jokes just continued, "Biggie or Tupac?" Also of note, Mamamoo participated in and won the 2019 Queendom, coming in first place against such idols as (G)I-DLE, AOA, Oh My Girl, Park Bom, and Lovelyz. when in retrospect it really wasnt my place to do so and I want to say Im really, sincerely sorry about that. Ngl I let out a couples laughs tho. Trust me when I say that most of the people who whine about mamamoo blackface are non-black people , I've seen a lot of black MooMoos who have forgiven them since the apology , but a lot of non black kpop fans wear it on their neck like it actually affected them in the first place , I may be the only one who thinks this way but American Kpop fans act very arrogantly when it comes to mamamoo a controversy. I recently fell in love with these girls again after I took a break from kpop. Thats not fair to them at all and makes absolutely no sense. yeah Id probably classify myself as a pacifist, thought I understand the use of violence in self defence or sports that require violence (MMA, boxing, etc.). It took years to unlearn what was taught to me, become more informed, and develop my own beliefs. It has become commonplace to trash Mamamoo and Hwasa in particular, just another meme or joke to let slide. It's even harder these days.. anything can be taken out of context for example, they're banning "Baby It's Cold Outside" on the radio because some people feel the lyrics suggest date rape what a load of BS. You are entitled to your own opinion, and if what Mamamoo has done is considered too ignorant or rude for you to support them anymore, that is 100% in your right to not excuse them for it. Solar | Moonbyul | Wheein | Hwasa (Purple Backs) Solar | Moonbyul | Wheein | Hwasa (Mint Backs) CD version comes with 3 photocards. Mamamoo is perhaps most widely-known for writing their own music, their electric stage presence, and constant ad-libs often thrown in to make each stage as unique as it can possibly be. Regardless, a fan who thinks that its not a problem isnt going to hold it against Heechul, the point of the post isnt to make you hate the idols (Heechul is literally one of my ultimate biases) its just supposed to be informative. MAMAMOO debuted on June 18, 2014, along with their single "Mr. Ambiguous." MAMAMOO was commended along with their first single by the critics as one of the best K-pop debut group in 2014. Im aware people can be incredibly childish when it comes to offensive stuff in kpop, almost like its some game, like, there are actual people who look forward to exos next fuckup as though its not something that deeply upsets people. Why was that her fault? Mamamoo themselves wrote: We were extremely ignorant of blackface and did not understand the implications of our actions. I like most of the members included in that post, please dont try to make it out like I dont, because it perpetuates the idea that fans cant criticise the things they love. While MBC later clarified that the outfit was meant to be a glamorized version of the sauna outfits worn by South Koreans, particularly a style that Hwasa herself has worn before, many thought the outfit was far more similar to an African one than a Korean sauna look. Everyone is welcome, fans and non-fans. I encourage everybody to keep general discussion going, but for now, Im stepping out. Thanks for posting this. ", The link includes the statements released on the group's behalf, most notably, their own apologies for their use of blackface which was released within four hours of the video going out. when Lay said, When asked about his ideal type, said that she, He and Chen chose Kai and Tao as the members they wouldnt want to date if they were girls, when Chen was explaining why, Xiumin interrupted him and saidThey both have a similarity, theyre both tanned (, Posted a photograph of him in a face mask on Weibo and captioned it, Apparently there were some old online comments from Baekhyuns cyworld account where he called girls at his High School sluts but I cant find any screenshots, Chanyeol and Baekhyun apparently admitted to teasing the Chinese members at first for their pronunciation/korean and acted somewhat cold towards them, though I cannot find a source for this, Many people have said Chanyeol said his ideal type would have white/pale skin but I cant find a source on that so Im not sure, Some people have told me that Kris is sexist/misogynistic but I cant find anything about this online, I also vaguely remember seeing a picture of exo which one of the members wrote comments on and there was something about Kais skin being dark but I cant remember who it was (possibly Kai himself?) You don't have to to forgive them for the blackface but I see far too much misinformation being spread and everyone just take as word. It was laughable because a writer had a compilation of problematic things that idol groups did and you can very clearly see the double-standards people have for boy groups and girl groups (even the writer herself). A subreddit for the four member kpop group, MAMAMOO! if he simply stated that he thought they were gay/trans, then there isnt a problem because theres nothing wrong with a person being gay/trans. The photos are problematic as they were taken in 2008 when Chorong was in high school and underage at 17 years old. I hear people say that she added it in to a song that didn't have it on purpose but that version is on Melon. Offensive Super Junior Masterpost. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Things not included arent included because they DIDNT happen, stop believing lies told by edgy kpop stans w/o any recipts https://t.co/rBMH79ZvlD, HELP i dont like hwasa but some of yall going a little to far, some of yall preach mental health but pick and choose who that applies too ngl i let out a couples laughs tho#AskHwasa pic.twitter.com/GbxXzX6Fna. Again I apologise for any of the harm I have caused with this blog, it was definitely unintentional, but thats no excuse. Call me out for what? Yes. The media and antis take things and blow it way out of proportion. Discover short videos related to mamamoo being problematic on TikTok. I wholeheartedly accept that I messed up on this and Im really sorry, because I feel like I sort of have a responsibility not to spread misinformation and thats exactly what I did. } RBW then said they would work to educate themselves more on cultural sensitivity and the struggles that the black community and various other POC communities have undergone and continue to go through. Mamamoo is a 4 member girl group under Rainbow Bridge World whose members are Solar, Moonbyul, Wheein and Hwasa and they made their debut on 19th June 2014. Meanwhile for girl groups it's just full of hate comments even if they did not do as many or as severe problematic things as boy groups. In response to the criticisms of how I was presenting my information, they are valid criticisms. My anxiety and paranoia are bad enough as it is but they shoot up every time I post on here, leaving me feeling sick when I cant check my inbox (or when I have lots of messages) and paranoid that everybody hates me/this blog. Because of mistakes that they've made out of ignorance, mistakes that they've apologized for. }); Im aware hes from Canada, Im aware people are less touchy-feely in the west, but the fact that the thought of his band members being gay or transworried him is definitely problematic. Everyone, dont think of dirty thoughts!, negative comment about Taos skin being dark, cant be too chubby/fat and must have a nice body, He has darker skin than me, doesnt he?, in general, youre skin looks better if you have a lighter skin tone. disclaimer: i am NOT trying to cancel any of the idols on this list, just calling them out. The K-POP idol's vocal talent is considered one of the best in the industry and yet, she continues to receive a great amount of . Hwasa, while covering the track, read the lyrics as is, leading to the gaffe. MEAWW is an initialism for Media Entertainment Arts WorldWide. Personally, I come from a Chinese household with really racist, sexist, misogynistic, and homophobic beliefs. ourbridgeisforever:. there is nothing wrong with heechul thinking kris leaving exo was disrespectful - its his opinion, its not problematic. They debuted on June 19, 2014 with the mini album Hello . eventCategory: event.slot.getSlotElementId(), it is also very likely the kangin/n thing was scripted, considering n hung out with suju members shortly after and neither n nor kangin nor their companies were asked about it EVEN ONCE and calling someonetrash in a magazine or bts video is a big deal. I read something the other day that said we forgive the people not the actions which I think is a accurate way of thinking. MAMAMOO () is a four-member girl group currently under RBW. ga('ads.send', { 4) I included the hijab thing for Heechul because I saw muslim fans point it out and say that it made them uncomfortable. Villain. One user tweeted, "HELP I dont like Hwasa but some of yall going a little too far, some of yall preach mental health but pick and choose who that applies too. My mom would like to know #AskHwasa, is mama africa a good name for you? I have a tendency to get a bit defensive and come across as rude/mocking/patronising/self righteous when I dont mean to, which Im trying to work on, but its hard to tell when Im doing it, so I try to avoid argument a lot. The next big issue made public came when Solar dressed up as a Korean beggar from Train to Busan (2016) for their next ending concert video. I did include apologies though, such as Shindongs, Kangins and Zhoumis. Mamamoo isn't even the first K-Pop group or artist to don blackface in 2012, Big Bang's G-Dragon (who have been called the "biggest band in Asia") posted a horrific photo that many believed was. I was enjoying binging 4 years worth of missed content from them but I guess it's inevitable that I stumbled on . However, another fan might choose not to forgive him for it, which is totally up to them, and totally understandable. I hope everybody has a good day/night. They're open-minded and extremely kind people. Kissed Yewons thighs on We Got Married while carrying her on his shoulders, Persuaded Jackson (GOT7) to accompany him in going into the girls room without permission and rifling through their stuff on episode 45 of SBS Roommate, thanks for not defending the other stuff I guess, okay this is actually the last post I just find it hard to sleep when I dont resolve stuff, An Apology For the Super Junior Masterpost, I wasnt trying to paint suju as bad guys or anything I honestly just wanted to help the people whod be sending me asks, sorry to bring this up again but a few more people reblogged it. Fans welcome to spam photos, videos, gifs, to talk about Mamamoo, Solar, Moonbyul, Wheein, Hwasa updates, music, content or anything. Maybe you are just too sensitive?? All this being said, Mamamoo is truly know, not as huge award/reality show winners, but as an idol group of the people. In the show, there are co-cast members Par Na Rae and Han Ye Jin. i just dont love all the stuff they say/do. Koreaboo, a digital media company, also reached out to the group because of the incident, and attempted to explain to them exactly why their video was so hurtful. eventAction: 'click_adunit' There are many areas where I am still ignorant and I think I have a bit of an issue with talking over people, a bad habit I really need to break. I will try to work on this in the future because I dont want to portray idols as villains when theyre not actually responsible for what has happened (e.g. But in this case it was obviously red, and drawn the way a clown would wear it. eventCategory: event.slot.getSlotElementId(), No it doesnt excuse what theyve said, but its likely that they have changed, which is something everybody does and it should be embraced. They're also one of the very few idol groups where everyone has expressed that they're supportive of the LGBT+ community, which is huge especially in such a conservative country like South Korea. Im getting upset the more I think about it lol but really its just a lot of misconceptions; sometimes culturally and linguistically, that Americans like to hold a grudge against. Honestly, I would want the person that I love to be more pretty or more handsome., Culturally appropriated a Native American headdress. The MAMAMOO Introduction Guide of 2022 (Part 1: Members) MOO YT 40K views 7 months ago Is Duolingo Really a Good Way to Study Japanese? It's just crazy how haters can twist every single thing. In fact, I really like them. They were ignorant and uneducated at the time. I dont think they take care of their bodies well, Performed with Boom, while he was donning blackface, Called N from VIXX fucking trash among many other things, sneaked into a room in which girls were sleeping and touched them, I do not wish to acknowledge homosexuals, that scenario must have looked like a drug deal., Implied negative things about Goo Hara dating around a lot, If someone had to lose weight, I would tell that person to lose weight. Im not trying to run away from anything, if you have issues with any of the things I say or do (because I am privileged in certain aspects) please dont feel afraid to bring them up! Kim Yong-sun (Korean: , born February 21, 1991), better known by the stage name Solar (Korean: ), is a South Korean singer, songwriter and actress signed under RBW.She is the leader and main vocalist of girl group Mamamoo and its sub-unit Mamamoo+. Clown would wear it out what originally brought out all the Hate again I apologise for any of super! 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