With those limitations in mind, I still cant help but recommend Virpil. This is significant. - VKB gunfighter base vs Virpils bases: VKB has a dry clutch. Also, I'm not dead set on those two options by any means. The only other thing up in the same price and perhaps build quality (I don't truly know about them either other than what I've read here, they're trying at least) is Winwing but their stick option is much more limited in overall controls. You must log in or register to reply here. People use keyboard to play E:D. Keyboards have more than 32 buttons.. my x56 throttle alone has more than 32 buttons, all bound to ed controls :). Both the MCG (right hand only) grip and Kosmosima Premium (left or right) have plenty. It has about twice as many buttons as Microsoft Windows recognizes on a game controller, which means youll need to take some extra time to get it tuned before you hop into a game. Espaol - Latinoamrica (Spanish - Latin America). Initially I'm after a stick and will continue to use my X55 throttle, eventually I'll replace my throttle or possibly go 2 sticks. The thing that really sold me on it is that the hat switches and mini sticks on the the top are completely modular, so you can literally just drop whichever one you like to suit your purposes without having to take apart the stick. 3 - anyone with theses setups i am conimg from a logitech x56 how to they compare in terms of build quality and feel? A weekly roundup of the best things from Polygon, By submitting your email, you agree to our, Theres a new challenger in the world of flight sticks and throttles, Sign up for the Better options out there? You would basically map your joysticks inputs past 32 to a virtual vjoy device then you are all set. Maybe you should try moving some to other ports on your computer if you haven't tried that yet. I use one from Wavlink and have 7 devices plugged into it with no problems, including a Virpil joystick, a VKB joystick and a Virpil throttle. For space sims, I think Virpil has it over VKB hands down when looking at the Kosmosima vs Constellation Alpha. I will be using it for flight sims mainly dcs in modern jets f14, f18 and i will have it centre mounted in a simpit. I've been lucky enough to have purchased of a Virpil CM2 throttle and a Constellation Alpha on Warbird base and I think they are fantastic! After nearly a decade of watching modest, incremental improvements in the space its nice to see a manufacturer innovating with their flight sticks. To learn more or opt-out, read our Cookie Policy. I have zero complaints about it. That's weird because normally a USB 3 controller can supposedly support up to 127 devices. You can watch some youtube teardowns and see that VKB pays attention to the internals in a really impressive way. My own conclusion was that VKB is around 10% cheaper and 99% as good as Virpil. It was a bit of a process to pull apart my two kosmosima grips to fish out the good peg and slap it into my right hand stick, but I'm starting to get a little miffed with the durability of some of these small components. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. What it really comes down to is whether you plan to use the twist. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. A good USB powered hub should help with this. There really is plenty. I plan on positing a review of the mcg ultimate once I receive it (should be getting it later this week hopefully) if you're curious. Thank you for all the suggestions. Also, I did notice some defective materials in the batch of products that I received. Be careful about copying other peoples bindings, as most of them seem to have really weird ideas or they might do only exploring so never use pips and things like that. Ok yes the firmware and software was installed. Question on the VKB customization software? Right now my mind is still on a throttle rather than 2 sticks and I'm looking at either the Virpil MongoosT or the VKB one that is allegedly coming in a couple of months. It's easy! By choosing I Accept, you consent to our use of cookies and other tracking technologies. I'm in a similar boat to you. I used this for my warthog. But, by pulling back on that stick I had easy access to reverse thrust, which makes slowing down and changing directions in space a lot snappier. Overall, I'd recommend VKB for quality and performance. If anyone has alternate suggestions for awesome, high quality flight sticks. So vkb is not the first/only. My x55 stick looks like it's reached the end of it's life and I'm looking for a new stick first then we'll see. Second, know that the current incarnation of the Virpil throttle box may simply be too much for most users. That's it. The non-marking pads on the mounting hardware, for instance, began to slide off after several weeks of continuous use. Also the virpil stick might cost more as i have read that somepeople buying it in Australia have had to pay GST (tax) on it. Virpil has the better engineers. > Q&A Is the base the same on both? Yes I followrd their guide. It features a dead-simple clamp with an adjustable bite, which you can dial in to firmly grasp the edge of your desk surface and hold fast. Just use the Virpil configuration software, click the box for split by 32 buttons on the profile page and calibrate it. I could hit the gas on the main thruster to accelerate forward, rotate my ship in place, then roll left while also moving slightly down and sliding to the right all at the same time. VirPil make easy use Tm Warthog (or Cougar) grip in their bases, since use the same connection nut and grip electronics. So just swap grips and flash firmware for the. Nice descriptions. They also have just the right amount of heft to them, and feel like a substantial upgrade to the kinds of flight sticks Ive been using for the last decade. Its also mostly plastic, but in a good way. I've had 2 springs snap, which has pretty much taken my left stick out of commission (I've heard the NXTs actually ship with replacements -- mine didn't). Hey everyone, i know this has been a few times but i cant find anything that the exact specs im looking at so im going to ask anyway. When you run the Virpil Joystick tester, do all the analog axes and button inputs show up? First, the documentation on these products ranges from awful to non-existent. Was looking at getting a new one but decided I might as well upgrade to either the VKB Gunfighter or Virpril T50 and would love some advice and opinions on both setups. See our ethics statement. I do find VKB to do much nicer and cleaner internal work which matters if or when you have to open up your grip. i use a steam controller and nothing else mostly unless i need a hotkey for certain things on the keyboard. Logitech, Thrustmaster, and many of the big name manufacturers are out of stock everywhere you look. There are all sorts of advice guides on how to optimise your chances. Something went wrong. 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I can't speak for Virpil's interiors but I've been inside the grip on my VKB and the way they use independent little boards with pin receptacles to link things together on the Kosmo Premium is amazing, and would be very easy to obtain parts for repair if only one control were to fail for any reason. I managed to get hold of a Virpil constellation alpha (R) and a CM2 throttle, it was an emotional 2 month process. They are both superb bits of kit though and you will not regret buying either. Try contacting vkb about the broken parts, depending on how old your stick is, I've seen people post on here that they just sent them a bunch of parts to repair failed items. This alone has made me settle on getting the Virpil base. - Virpil WARbrd vs VKB: WARbrd base has movement range of +/-22 degrees, where as the VKB bases have +/-15 degrees. It will also likely have the same kind of impact when Elite Dangerous: Odyssey launches later this year, adding first-person, on-foot gameplay to that spacefaring game. The game to get one is better than playing ED. > Tutorials and everything HOTAS related. It works perfectly with all buttons. Take my advice - before starting, enter into the map all the switch and button numbers from the Virpil test program because when you look in the ED keybindings, that's what will show. Most people get around this by using software such as Vjoy, Joystick Gremlin, or JoyToKey. If you use the Virpil software there's an option somewhere to divide number of controls into groups of 32. There's only so much your thumb can roam around and do. Starting to wonder about the all-metal construction with that new ultimate grip, and maybe investing in a heavier duty base. I'm not an expert by any stretch, I only intend to use this for Elite Dangerous. I haven't checked Virpil in a while but didn't think anything had more than the MCG Pro, with the hat over on the index finger position as well as on the thumbrest. September 8, 2019 in Hardware, Software and Controllers. I'd love to mount to desk but I don't have the space for a permanent setup and need to be able to move my controllers out of the way easily. Don't use the Windows or any third party stuff. Theres even a line of collective grips on the way, which will be perfect for the new helicopters coming to DCS World and Microsoft Flight Simulator in the not-to-distant future. Money isn't really an issue for me. Also known as a hand-on-stick-and-stick (HOSAS) setup, I found that it completely changed the flight experience in both Star Citizens Persistent Universe and Elite Dangerous. All trademarks are property of their respective owners in the US and other countries. That brings the price for a full HOTAS mounting solution closer to $180. Previously, those functions sat on a tiny hat switch on my throttle. Initially it was all a bit daunting but after a fair bit of reading various threads this is where I'm at A bit about my requirements - Got to be desktop based. Right? I have the twist adapter for the original MCG and while the twist itself is great, the ergonomics of the MCG grip are not the best for twisting (as it was never really designed for that). You need to be a member in order to leave a comment. Elite will not show a profile that specifically names the Virpil hardware. Hub 3.0 Powered 90W Data Hub, Multiport 16 Port Powered 12V/7.5A Adapter Still getting the 'need to remove some devices '. Is anyone using Vjoy or a simiar program(s) to solve this problem? Virpil's software isn't very intuitive. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. It would be wrong to say that TECS "worthily follows the line of VKB engineering tradition . My favorite set of kit is called the Virpil Constellation Alpha, which, when coupled with a throttle, does an admirable job of controlling commercial aircraft. Currently have a CM2 grip/CM2 base with a T-50 v3 throttle and ACE-2 peddles for flight sims, as well as a Alpha-R primary with an Alpha-L/WarBRD for offhand in space. I didn't say ED provided a game setting for Virpil. Good news for fans of Microsoft Flight Simulator, Elite Dangerous, and Star Citizen. Sorry to resurrect the thread, but I've have my MongoosT-50CM2 throttle for a couple of months and my Constellation Delta should be in this week. Both companies use high quality metal gimbals and contactless sensors for axes. I also built a button box arrangement into my chair power controls (seat adjust, subwoofer, surround shoulder speakers, cooling) and find I almost never let go of the sticks to USE the button box. All trademarks are property of their respective owners in the US and other countries. It will simply store your configuation under "custom". And just last night the plastic peg for one of the hat switches snapped. My experience with these sticks is in a HOSAS setup (With the MCG being part of my old HOTAS), so there may be some "synergy" for HOTAS binding considerations that might sway one way or another for the MCG vs Constellation. Virpil pedals are much, much lower to the floor and accommodate a wider stance which, as a 66 man, I greatly appreciate. So I accidentally broke my TM Warthog yesterday, not a fun experience. Just wish they would have shipped with more replacement parts if they're so prone to breaking under regular usage. Thanks, Ill take your advise. I definitely have more than 38 inputs on my x55. Did you a manage to get your bindings for Elite dangerous ? Thank you guys for the help. and our If youre playing a more hardcore flight simulator, like something from the DCS World portfolio, you probably already know about VKB. Looking at grips VKB and Virpil are more similar and it feels like preference is mostly related to hand size and just what each person prefers. WarBRD with more throw has some difficulties for center this heavy grip. I will try them. After a few hours of HOSAS practice, I suddenly found myself with much more precise and immediate control over my virtual spaceships than ever before. HOTAS (hands on throttle and sticks) 4 - what grip do people think is better the T-50 or the alpha? But that being said, if you're focusing on space games, I'm leaning towards thinking you'll prefer the gunfighter + kosmosima or virpils constellation. Just got the Virpil Constellation Alpha-R grip with the Warbrd base, as well as the 50 CM2 throttle and elite doesn't see any Virpil hardware. The biggest thing for me seems to be waiting time. That means you can easily arrange for a much more complex dual-stick set-up. As I said before I dont think you can go wrong either way though. Only set up a profile for each device with the other unplugged. Plus half of what I would need from VKB is out of stock. Note that youll need two of the Desk Mount V3-S devices for a HOSAS solution using the Virpil Constellation sticks, which brings the price of accessories up to $140. Virpil has its own configuration and testing. Using a Virpil HOTAS in Elite Dangerous Ken Cikas 1.25K subscribers Subscribe 61 Share 7.4K views 2 years ago Finally got around to editing this down. If you fly helos, you will fall in love with this. Where as the constellation/kosmosima grips where designed with twisting in mind. Have a look through the Virpil forums. I have an idea from my previous setup, but never really got round to completing it for Exploring and even negotiation of the galaxy map, I need to sort this finally as Im using an old DK2 VR and must stop the temptation to use my keyboard, or mouse. I have the same Virpil throttle. All rights reserved. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. All rights reserved. I will be using the TM Warthog grip with a stickextension, so if anyone happens to run a similar setup on either the VKB or Virpil yourthoughts will be greatly appreciated. WarBRD with more throw has some difficulties for center this heavy grip. Previously I had played spaceflight simulation games with a single stick and throttle, which is known as a hands-on-throttle-and-stick (HOTAS) setup. They release quickly, making storage a breeze. (e.g. Got a Virpil throttle but I can only program about half the hats, axis', and buttons because of ED limiting us to 32 "buttons" per device. Better still, the Constellations side-mounted thumbsticks mean that you can actually navigate on foot without ever taking your hands off the joysticks. If I want to upgrade in the future I can just buy the Gunfighter base and use the kosmosima stick (If VKB follow through and actually let you buy bases separately). It feels more robust than the Logitech X-52 and X-56, but lighter than the all-metal Thrustmaster Warthog. 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My VKB Controls My Universe Gladiator NXT Joysticks Shop our Gladiator NXT EVO Series of Joysticks Gladiator NXT EVO 'Space Combat Edition' - Left Hand From $135.00 USD Gladiator NXT EVO 'Space Combat Edition' - Right Hand From $135.00 USD Gladiator NXT EVO Omni Throttle - Left Hand $175.00 USD Gladiator NXT EVO Omni Throttle - Right Hand Explaining the difference is difficult to do with words. I have both and for me the VKB just wins out. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Same would be true with the Gunfighter. Will cost me less money since I can just plug in my Warthog without having to buy that $50 adapter from VKB. Perhaps toe break tension as well. * Gunfighter Mk.III is to be released, "soon". It may show you something you did wrong. The ideal base for Warthog - a heavy(~1KG) grip plus extension is T50CM2. Note: This is ONLY to be used to report spam, advertising, and problematic (harassment, fighting, or rude) posts. HOSAS made me a harder target to hit, and helped to improve my own aim especially with fixed weapons. Note: This is ONLY to be used to report spam, advertising, and problematic (harassment, fighting, or rude) posts. Very close to the real thing (comparing it to C-130J and A400M controls). Privacy Policy. The right-hand stick still has complete control of pitch and yaw, while rudder pedals handle roll. The VKB base has some nice features the Virpil base doesn't have (dampers) and overall just rates a bit higher in terms of quality/performance. , So, I am currently having a hard time choosing between the two flight sticks that seem to be most likely to fit my needs; those options being Virpil VPC Constellation on WarBRD base and VKB Gunfighter Mk3 'space combat edition.'. Both are great sticks, I have both of them and use extensions with them - however I have not tried using the Warthog grip as I am happy with their grips. 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